tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post5379562658320597267..comments2024-02-27T05:32:55.338-06:00Comments on Created to be HIS: Doctrine or Opinion? Divorce.Bethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-43295905944634570272011-07-06T12:08:57.857-05:002011-07-06T12:08:57.857-05:00Lisa, thanks! :(
By the way, that is the next top...Lisa, thanks! :(<br /><br />By the way, that is the next topic in the Doctrine or Opinion series - divorce and remarriage. :)Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-52644283997842999152011-07-05T13:25:04.689-05:002011-07-05T13:25:04.689-05:00Amen, Kristen. You are so right... And you are r...Amen, Kristen. You are so right... And you are right with the things you have said in these comments. I am sorry that they do not see the truth.<br /><br />Sometimes you can't prevent a divorce...I understand that. That never means that you yourself PURSUE a divorce though... Even if a divorce happens ... no matter be they saved, unsaved, new Christians, or old Christians ... remarriage after divorce is ALWAYS and FOREVER adultery.<br /><br />Thanks for writing the truth. So few claim to believe these things, but few act on them like you do and believe them as fully as you do.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12113910192375054172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-2690903954850604612011-07-01T17:58:30.535-05:002011-07-01T17:58:30.535-05:00Friend,
I know you think me, being impressionable...Friend,<br /><br />I know you think me, being impressionable and having "limited experiences and interaction" with people in the world makes me immature and unable to state truth. I am sorry you feel that way.<br /><br />This conversation is closed. The Bible IS black and white. There is one way, one truth. God does not bend the rules or lie or change. You write like you believe the Bible is flawed, hense your negative statement about taking every word literally. Again, I am sorry.<br /><br />Now I am asking you to please refrain and desist from making any more comments on this post. Any other comments will be ignored and/or blocked.<br /><br />My prayers go out to you and your family. Blessings.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-54370463934007390722011-07-01T15:50:06.040-05:002011-07-01T15:50:06.040-05:00So you are telling me you believe God's Word i...So you are telling me you believe God's Word is flawed?Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045253910685192886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-58749221744030494832011-07-01T14:52:43.598-05:002011-07-01T14:52:43.598-05:00Don't be sorry for me! I'm certainly not. ...Don't be sorry for me! I'm certainly not. I have had the joy of seeing God bring together two people who were meant to be together. My mom and my stepdad are a wonderful example of a loving, committed, Christian couple. <br /><br />I don't come from a "broken" home, that is a terrible and judgmental phrase. God did pull my family through a very hard time. And my mom absolutely forgave my dad, but she knew that staying married to him wasn't an option. And it's clear that God had different plans for her. He led her to her new husband. <br /><br />I'm just trying to show you that things are not always so black and white. You are very young and it's obvious that you have had very limited experiences and interactions with people in the world. You need to realize that you have a lot of growing up and living to do before you can offer up such "advice" on to people who could be just as impressionable as you seem to be.<br /><br />(And Joe, religion is a matter of opinion any way you slice it. It's my opinion that that Jesus is the son of God, but I can't prove that to anyone. Nothing that Kristen stated can be proven as "fact" because it's her opinion to trust in every word that the Bible says and take it literally. But as someone illustrated above, there are some extremely questionable passages in the Bible that, take literally, would be make Christians criminals.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-15498330832846640982011-06-30T19:04:16.869-05:002011-06-30T19:04:16.869-05:00I am sorry as well for your home life, but Joe is ...I am sorry as well for your home life, but Joe is correct. I simply stated Bible verses. They speak for themselves. They need no defending. Just declaring.<br /><br />Again, blessings to you.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-14536550378312984972011-06-30T18:48:37.687-05:002011-06-30T18:48:37.687-05:00No need for sarcasm, if you don't believe that...No need for sarcasm, if you don't believe that the Lord can pull you through the hard times and show you the way to take your life, then you should start seeking the Lord harder. My God has pulled me through hard times MANY times and has removed me from bad relationships despite my stupidity . I am sorry that your family experienced that. I come from a broken home as well, but my circumstances make no difference to what the Lord has said in His Word. Kristen clearly outlined what God says about divorce all I have seen from you is opinion. And about forgiveness Jesus said we are to forgive 7 times 70 times. Which actually He was saying ALWAYS forgive. God Bless.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045253910685192886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-39912821384171647142011-06-30T17:32:59.411-05:002011-06-30T17:32:59.411-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045253910685192886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-21597094216783454522011-06-30T13:19:16.224-05:002011-06-30T13:19:16.224-05:00I'm not E, but I will chime in to say that it ...I'm not E, but I will chime in to say that it is blowing my mind that you do not see it as dangerous to interpret the Bible this way. And yes, that's what you are doing, just interpreting it to fit your agenda.<br /><br />And "Joe" must live in a total dream world if he thinks that only people who don't get to know their spouses well enough end up in abusive or dysfunctional relationships. It must be nice to be able to wrap life up in a such a nice, tidy package with a bow on it. Unfortunately, in the real world, life can get a lot messier, even for "Godly" people. <br /><br />My mom and dad went steady all through college...they met through the Baptist Student Union at their college. They both came from happy, strong Christian families. My mom and dad got married after dating for 4 years, I think you could say that they knew each other very well--they had tons of friends in common and knew each other's families very well. They prayed together, attended church together and even taught the "Couples" Sunday School class at their church. However, all of that didn't stop my dad from having an extramarital affair and ruining his marriage. When my mom discovered what was going on, she was devastated, but was determined to make their marriage work. They went to counseling with their pastor and things got better, but then she found out that my father was continuing to cheat. All while going to church, asking forgiveness and praying with my mom. He continued to cheat on her on and off for 11 more years. How many more chances was she supposed to give him?<br /><br />It was clear that he wasn't willing to really try to make their marriage work. They divorced and years later, my mom met a wonderful Christian man who loves and cherishes her for the wonderful person that she is. If you met them, you could not tell me that God has not blessed them. One of the largest parts of being a Christian is having faith. No matter how you judge people for getting divorced, I have absolute faith that God led my stepdad to my mom and that he is pleased with the love they share.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-724159002247477002011-06-30T10:25:13.839-05:002011-06-30T10:25:13.839-05:00E,
These are most definitely not my opinions. Ple...E,<br /><br />These are most definitely not my opinions. Please take it up with the Lord and not me. You have given no BIBLICAL proof that it is in the will of God to divorce. Plenty Godly men fall into sin and make horrible choices (David, being a prime example) and then repent when God steps in. Now I ask you to please refrain from posting any moreunless it's on your own blog. You obviously disagree and will not heed the Word, so....my prayers go with you. Have a blessed day.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-18936924114843421252011-06-30T08:42:31.626-05:002011-06-30T08:42:31.626-05:00If a man is beating his wife, this is against God&...If a man is beating his wife, this is against God's command to love your wife as God loves the church, so that makes him an unbeliever. Therefore the unequally yoked scripture applies.<br /><br />What you are doing is extremely dangerous. You have zero knowledge or experience about abusive relationships, and many "Godly" men use the Bible as a means to justify their abuse of their wife, and tell her she cannot leave because it is against God's command. You really need to keep your opinions to yourself, and not spread such dangerous ideas to others. It is downright irresponsible.Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06728845517195921908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-88623760804689184672011-06-29T22:04:19.155-05:002011-06-29T22:04:19.155-05:00Well stated Kristen, everything you have said is s...Well stated Kristen, everything you have said is scriptural and non-opinionated. The problem with marriages today is that too many people are jumping into them without knowing the person they marry. There is no way a man is going to hide his abuse of a female if she searches out his family, friends, and his lifestyle . You fruit will show what kind of person you are. Saying that if people would pray and seek a GODLY person there would be a lot less of a chance of divorce to occur. You will know if your potential spouse is a cheater, abuser, or anything else that would put up a red flag if you spend time with the Lord and seek His will. Its obvious struggles come, but if you have the Lord in control of the whole process you can weather those storms! God Bless!Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045253910685192886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-63042195578925795072011-06-29T21:12:46.690-05:002011-06-29T21:12:46.690-05:00May I ask who you are? Do you know me? I'm cur...May I ask who you are? Do you know me? I'm curious.<br /><br />The passage you are referring to in 2 Corinthians 6 about being unequally yoked together speaks of the saved with the unsaved. It is obvious in all its verses.<br /><br />verse 14-16<br />"Be ye not unequally yoked together with UNBELIEVERS: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."<br /><br />Your subject of slavary is totally off the topic but in Ephesians 6:5-9 Paul reminds masters of their responsibility to treat their slaves with respect, noting that they too have a Master in heaven. 1 Corinthians 7:21-22 says - <br /><br />"Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant."<br /><br />HOWEVER, that is completely beside the point. You say my Bible doctrine is flawed. I am sorry, friend, but I am, again, only repeating what God said. I am not taking any verse and making it say one thing or the next. <br /><br />1 Corinthians 7:27a <br />"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed...."<br /><br />1 Corinthians 7:39a<br />"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth..."<br /><br />Matthew 19:8<br />"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."<br /><br />It's there in plain King James English...Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-68601718929917370402011-06-29T19:43:52.792-05:002011-06-29T19:43:52.792-05:00BIBLICALLY speaking, we should be allowed to own s...BIBLICALLY speaking, we should be allowed to own slaves. <br /><br />"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)<br /> <br /><br />We don't because it's not right, it's insane and outdated. Your BIBLE doctrine is flawed.<br /><br />Saying that a woman should have to stay married even in cases of abuse it not right. She should be able to move on with her life and find a man who will love and cherish her. A Christian woman has just as much right to a happy, healthy marriage as anyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-28653849275538731742011-06-29T19:32:11.549-05:002011-06-29T19:32:11.549-05:00I would say that the passage referring to being un...I would say that the passage referring to being unequally yoked in 2 Corinthians addresses the abuse issue. If a man abuses his family in any way, he's not righteous and therefore unequal. That's NT support for getting out of an abusive relationship IMO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-87018217291690966062011-06-29T17:15:09.330-05:002011-06-29T17:15:09.330-05:00Anonymous,
May I ask if you are a Christian? If s...Anonymous,<br /><br />May I ask if you are a Christian? If so, then if you can give me BIBLICAL proof that it is okay to divorce because of abuse, then I will step back. But if not, then please take a step back yourself. This post is about BIBLE doctrine. Not opinions or "rights" we think we have (as Christians, we really have no right at all).<br /><br />I will say again, if there has been abuse, leave. But divorce is different. <br /><br />By the way, a divorce never stops a man from coming after a woman. I say get protection or go away. Whatever you can do. But again, divorce is different....BIBLICALLY....which is all I care about. Bible. What GOD has to say.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-79428634967717722972011-06-29T16:56:10.771-05:002011-06-29T16:56:10.771-05:00I hope you are never in a situation where you are ...I hope you are never in a situation where you are actually scared for your life or your child's life. God gave you free-will, he/she/it/they help those who help themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-89534497285499048292011-06-29T15:54:36.487-05:002011-06-29T15:54:36.487-05:00It is dangerous and irresponsible to advise women ...It is dangerous and irresponsible to advise women to stay married to a man who is abusive and violent. A man like this does not deserve a wife and has already broken his marriage vows. <br /><br />I am curious about what you have to say about the thousands of woman and children who have been murdered by their abusive husbands or fathers? How can you say that they would not have been better off getting divorced and disappearing from that person's life?<br /><br />I hope you realize that all the praying and forgiving in the world will not stop a violent predator from killing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-90197152934305829482011-06-29T15:16:57.654-05:002011-06-29T15:16:57.654-05:00Exactly. There is a difference is separation and d...Exactly. There is a difference is separation and divorce. If a woman and children are in danger, I say get out and leave. And pray for him. Don't think for a moment God can't do a work....the very God who made blind men see, deaf men hear, and dead men rise. He is able!<br /><br />...and no, I am not twisting scripture. It's there in plain view for all to see....straight out of the KJV Bible, word for word.<br /><br />Sorry to have obviously offended you. Only declaring truth, friend. <br /><br />Blessings. :)Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-13183053180099988742011-06-29T14:58:17.294-05:002011-06-29T14:58:17.294-05:00Okay, so let me get this straight: you think a wom...Okay, so let me get this straight: you think a woman should stay married to a man who abuses her AND her children, right? <br /><br />And you're not repeating what GOD has said on the issue. You're taking scripture and twisting it to fit YOUR warped view.<br /><br />I hope your husband never abuses you or your child since, apparently, you'll never leave him. <br /><br />Oh wait, you'll SEPARATE from him, but you won't divorce him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-12770397920784511952011-06-29T14:36:18.050-05:002011-06-29T14:36:18.050-05:00Anonymous,
I do not claim to be (nor am I at all)...Anonymous,<br /><br />I do not claim to be (nor am I at all) an expert. Far from it. I am simply REPEATING what GOD has said on the issue. That is all. :)<br /><br />Blessings to you.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01937617050831611588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-7866915605089674312011-06-29T14:24:05.549-05:002011-06-29T14:24:05.549-05:00You have been married for one whole year and you&#...You have been married for one whole year and you're already an expert on every possible situation that can happen in a marriage. Wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-27386667895532046162011-06-29T14:12:27.969-05:002011-06-29T14:12:27.969-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4495306595120854029.post-74637451132026855912011-06-29T09:47:25.013-05:002011-06-29T09:47:25.013-05:00Isaac and I were just praying yesterday for the ma...Isaac and I were just praying yesterday for the marriages around us. It seems like there are SO many who are struggling... but you know what - marriage IS a struggle sometimes! The important thing is working through those struggles with God's help. I can say - as you did - that I feel like I've seen some of the "worst" in my few years of marriage, but I am still committed to my man and there's a wonderful peace in that. May God strengthen and bless all those who have resolved to honor their marriage vows!Rachellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03459652309784834000noreply@blogger.com